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#136 | Posted: 4 Jun 2024 12:49 
A contact message we just received via the website:

"I am yet another Calman user who is unsatisfied with the results I get when using their software. I have a couple of questions about ColourSpace before purchasing it. I have read everything I could find on AVSforum and your blog posts, but I might have missed something, please excuse me for that. I am a freelance colorist, currently based in Lisbon, Portugal. I am using Davinci Resolve. The reference monitor I am using is 42" LG Oled C3. I am only working with SDR content, but preparing myself for HDR era. I am using Calibrite Display Pro probe (old 1000 nits model, not the new SL and HL model line). I have bought Calman Home software and I have done at least 10 calibrations with AutoCal, but unfortunately, I always end up getting color banding. Also, the last time I contacted their support it took 10 days for them to respond. Here my questions regarding ColourSpace: 1) If I understand correctly, this is the minimum required list of things I need to purchase: Colourspace HTL; the raspberry pi 3 b+ unit; Ted's pgenerator iso. Is that correct? Also, there is an 8gb ram and a 4gb ram Pi 3b+ units, which one should I get? 2) Will buying HTL license unlock me "LG OLED Profiling/Calibration Guides"? And will these guides be sufficient for 2023 Oled models? 3) Is Colourspace HTL the cheapest license option for me with my requirements (SDR; LG internal LUT upload)? 4) Is my probe sufficient for calibrating with ColourSpace? 5) How many activations can I do with my license? Asking because I am on a mac and will be running ColourSpace in VMware Fusion Windows emulation, which can go dead at some point, as happened to me before."

Our response:
ColourSpace HTL is indeed the minimum for LG TV calibration, and will work with your probe.
However, we would really recommend ColourSpace LTE, as that the minimum for post-production use, but if you are only looking to calibrate the LG TV, HTL will work.
You can actually use Resolve for the TPG, so no need for any Raspberry Pi, or any PGen ISO. But of you do want a PGen setup, get the 4gb Pi 4, as per our PGen info page.
And, yes, you would get access the LG guides.
And as per the website there are 5x user deactivations, but unlimited requests via the website.
(Unlimited means just for situations where a deactivation is needed due to technical requirements - the license is not a floating license.)

Steve
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#137 | Posted: 1 Jul 2024 16:43 
Just a short comment, picked-up from a different forum.

"I don't use DisplayCal anymore. I recently moved to a more professional solution (ColourSpace) that better fits my requirements."

Nice to see such positive comments from any user!
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#138 | Posted: 26 Aug 2024 07:51 
Regarding manual calibration of Sony TVS, vs Calman's Autocal, from an alternative forum:

"I don't have professional calibrators in the area but I must say that I obtained excellent results with my i1D3 and S95C spectral correction.
As a reference I use a Panasonic plasma calibrated with Klein K10 meter profiled with a Jeti spectrophotometer, I must say that the general image seems to match quite well in side by side.

I have an old version of Calman with which I started calibrating A95L but then I purchased a ColourSpace Zro license and I must say that in the low luminance range you get more precise results, so for a low cost I highly recommend it.

It is less ready to use than Calman but in this thread @thoth has provided everything needed for optimal calibration.

As a low cost HDR pattern generator the best you can get is TED's Pgen based on raspberry Pi4.

Personally I am very happy with the results obtained and I am convinced that they are also quite correct, especially after 20pt and CMS calibration."
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#139 | Posted: 5 Sep 2024 14:19 
A simple post made in reply to a question on another forum, where the use of ColourSpace over Calman was suggested - but this ending paragraph really says a lot.

"Alternatively, if you really want to stick with Calman for all your calibrations, you may want to consider Portrait's G1 TPG. It supports all the calibration modes with Calman, including DV verification. I personally prefer ColorSpace and Pgen, but I have a G1 and Calman Home and it works reasonably well for what it does."
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#140 | Posted: 16 Sep 2024 15:45 
From a post on another forum:

"I wish I had purchased ColourSpace instead of its competitors' calibration software. The upgrade cost if you lapse your subscription is nearly the same as having to buy the software from scratch... I think you know who I'm talking about. And that's fine if you are a big post-production house, but as a freelancer who just wants to calibrate their monitors it's just not financially feasible. ColourSpace also offer a 3-day rental if you don't want to purchase a full licence. Need I say more! "

Our reply:
"Also talk to us about Upgrades from alternative inferior calibration systems, such as Calman... We may be able to do something."

And the response:
"I didn't want to mention names but as you did, yes it is Calman. I'm stuck with it for the moment until I have the money to spend on new software. At the moment, I'm using ColourSpace ZRO to verify the internal Eizo calibration, which works OK. But hopefully I'd like to get LTE to do the calibration sometime in the future. Thanks for the offer, hopefully I can take you up on it. "
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#141 | Posted: 3 Nov 2024 09:28 
From a new user:

"Thank you so much for your help, Steve!
You have amazing support.
Did I tell you that it took 7 days for Calman to reply to my first email?"


Have to say that I personally really appreciate such comments from our customers.
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#142 | Posted: 3 Nov 2024 09:35 
And a follow-up message from the same user as above:

"Honestly, I would never ever advise anyone Calman anymore. There is a pretty big Russian-speaking community of colorists who mostly use Calman Home, but I could never understand how they were dealing with the artifacts Calman produces. I even did a verification of Calman lut and the gamma wasn't even 2.4! I will try to shine a light on other people about ColourSpace"

And obviously we can also easily add Russian (or any other language) as an option to the available menu languages.
Anyone one who would like their native language added to the ColourSpace languages options just needs to ask!
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#143 | Posted: 9 Nov 2024 09:32 
From a new user posting on LinkedIn:

Incredible what you can do with the right tools! 🤯 Tons still to learn and thousands of hours of practice ahead, but the results with Light Illusion 👏 are tremendous. 🔥💪🏻🎨

It's great to see such comments from new users.
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#144 | Posted: 12 Nov 2024 13:17 
From a new ColourSpace user:

" I got access to download and install Colorspace.
I have already created a 3D Lut for my Benq SW 270 C and uploaded it to the monitor.
It's just fantastic how accurate it is.
Guys, your software is rightfully considered a "surgical scalpel" in the field of calibration and profiling."


Steve Shaw
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#145 | Posted: 30 Nov 2024 20:35 
From a Reddit user who obviously has personal experience of both systems:

"After learning ColourSpace and switching from Calman I can say that please don't waste your time and money with Calman.

ColouSpace is the pro choice."


Short, and to the point...
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#146 | Posted: 19 Dec 2024 17:41 
From another forum, from a Calman user who also has alternative LUT capable calibration software:

"I asked how come calman keeps crashing closing out on its own they first tried to tell me it's cause I'm running a 17^ lut that it's to large they recommended a smaller lut or lightning lut (seriously) I mentioned that it's the software because I can run 17^ luts on other software and I don't run into this problem then they admitted that it's because calman is still 32 bit and there supposedly working on a 64 bit version but never gave any dates. For all the money I have payed for this thing and how expensive it is how is it not 64 bit we are about to be in 2025

And good thing I had other software to test with because if not I would of probably just did what they recommended doing lighting luts that's produce errors higher then what I could tolerate when I get to color checker kind of deceiving how the post cal gives you what looks like a decent or great score but go to additional validation and run color checker or sg and see errors higher then the post cal"


ColourSpace is presently 32 bit, and we do not see any urgent need to go to 64 bit, although we will at some point.
I say that, as being 32 bit causes no crashes/issues with ColourSpace, even when doing 21^3 LUT profiles, or even larger.
So it is not really that causing Calman's crashes/issues.

Steve
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#147 | Posted: 5 Feb 2025 08:37 
From an ex-Calman user that first used LightSpace, and then upgraded to ColourSpace.
Back in 2020, when first using LightSpace the user commented:

"I rarely use Calman now and haven't even renewed my maintenance in the past year. Can't wait for ColourSpace!"

We have since had multiple positive feedback reports from the user since, all showing the real benefits of ColourSpace.
And today we received a comment on the unique 'Focused Patch Set' capabilities of ColourSpace:

"I had some time today to try Focused Patch Sets on my JVC RS3100.
WOW
Take a look at the dreaded ITP numbers even. I don't have the standard patch set screenshots handy to compare, but HUGE improvement.
Very impressive.
I still see people using Calman to do LUTs and just shake my head."


We love such feedback!

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#148 | Posted: Today 03:50 
Don't get caught-out by Calman's yearly licensing, maintenance, and support costs!

"I have an LG CX in my grading suite setup that is used as a client monitor. Previously I was using Calman Home for LG for calibrating that screen, but following a TV firmware update that software is now useless and I do not wish to repurchase the same software again. From your forums I see that you know exactly how their business model operates but I did not fully comprehend this when I first bought it!"

While ColourSpace may initially be more expensive, in the longer term it works out far cheaper.
And obviously offers far greater calibration capability and accuracy.

Steve
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