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Author janos666
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#16 | Posted: 14 Nov 2024 12:28 
We contacted another Hungarian guy and he seems to have the exact same issue.

Author ConnecTED
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#17 | Posted: 14 Nov 2024 19:04 
If something is broken in your configuration, try resetting the settings.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/colourspace-cms-next-generation-calibration-thread.3049142/post-60865546

Author Steve

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#18 | Posted: 23 Nov 2024 19:36 
janos666
We still have no idea why you have connection issues, but as you have issues connecting with bscpylgtv and DeviceControl the issue is obviously outside of ColourSpace.

However, we have found a different issue with the latest LG 2024 model TV firmware.
ColourSpace intelligently interrogates the LG TV to assess the correct LUT size.
The latest LG firmware has changed the identification code used to define the LUT size.
So ColourSpace was sending the wrong LUT size to the later firmware 2024 models.
(DeviceControl is hardwired to only work with set LUT sizes.)
This does mean ColourSpace will work with LG TVs that use different LUT sizes, such as 'B' models, etc..

The fix for the LUT identifier will be in the next ColourSpace release, but any user with 2024 LG TVs can request early access now.

Steve
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Author janos666
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#19 | Posted: 24 Nov 2024 17:51 
Steve:
connection issues

I wouldn't call it a "connection issue", since there is evidence of two-way communication between ColourSpace or bscpylgtv and the C4 devices. It's "just" limited in scope.

I consulted with one of the developers of bscpylgtv. According to his assesment, there could be two logical explanations:
- The remote controller (CS, bs, CalMAN, etc) client is not grated with the neccessary access rights to run the calibration related API calls/commands.
- The API itself has changed, the cailbration related calls/commands were changed (this makes little sense) or got disabled/removed (at least for some select region specific C4 models where LG doesn't want to grant these capabilities for some reason).
These could all be accidental changes or intentional decisions.

The other Hungarian ColourSpace and CalMAN user (a professional calibration technician) we contacted has the same issue. Even thouhg he has both CS and CalMAN licenses (my CalMAN license has experired), he prefered to contact Spectracal about the issue (because CalMAN also stopped working on these new LG models/firmwares for him).
This was enough confirmation for me not to investigate this issue further on my end with the resources currently available for me (if we have the exact same issue and we both tried the easy logical shortcuts like Factory Reset and direct wire connection instead of the wider local network, trying at least 2 different remote contorol solutions, etc) it must be an issue with these region specific TV models and their firmware (and trying anything else, like yet another Factory reset or network setup, PC reinstalls, software config resets, etc, etc, are all just a waste of time).

I wonder if you could provide instructions to get ColourSpace to omit a detailed debug log about what happens (or could give us a debug build where debug logging is enabled). But I am afraid this won't be fixed unless LG gets to knows and wishes to fix it (so, in case this was an intentional decision on LG's side then this might never gets fixed).
Since I have zero contacts to LG and I am pretty sure that a regular support ticket to LG Hungary would be a dead end (only a waste of time and sanity), all I can do is asking the developers of the various calibration solutions to contact LG and figure this out. But I am afraid that even that could take mounts (even for the fix to pop up in an "Engineering" firmware build, let alone as a regular "User" channel update).

OFF: The funny things is that we acquired a "LUT box" (BlackMagic Bi-Converter 12G) and that was also rendered useless with the latest firmware with no downgrade option (there is a heavy green tint with this 9.x firmware and the last good known version can no longer be flashed to the box's firmware). So, as it stands, these C4 displays are running with factory default colors (except a basic 1-point WP adjustment from the regular user menu to get it closer to a regular LCD D65 WP). Fortunately, these factory colors on the C4 displays are much better than the factory colors of the CX displays which were replaced by the C4s, so we can wait.

Author Steve

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#20 | Posted: 25 Nov 2024 11:17 
janos666
Please check your email.

Steve
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Author janos666
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#21 | Posted: 6 Mar 2025 12:19 
I encountered two new issues with LG TVs and I think #1 is ColourSpace specific:

1: The screen turns fully black and WebOS soft-locks (it does not seem to respond to button presses on the remote, that's how blank the screen is...) after I try to upload a "bypass" LUT into the 1D LUT slot of several LG TVs (including a C9, a C1 and a C3). Hitting Reset in ColourSpace "fixes" this black screen soft-lock (but I can't use a 1D LUT). I can't find old/archived versions of ColourSpace (and I didn't keep any old installers locally) but this wasn't an issue a few releases back. Please check this on your end.

2: An LG C3 screen shows a heavy green tint when Calibration Mode is engaged for an HDR10 source and HDMI Black is set to Full (the input's real range doesn't matter). Setting HDMI Black to Limited "fixes" this gree tint but that's not ideal. This does not happen on my LG C9, so I guess this is yet another LG firmware bug (not ColourSpace specific) and may be limited to Hungarian models (yet again). Did anyone else encounter this issue (in-, or outside Hungary)?

Author Steve

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#22 | Posted: 7 Mar 2025 01:11 
We are looking into #1.

Steve
Steve Shaw
Mob Boss at Light Illusion

Author Steve

INF
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#23 | Posted: 7 Mar 2025 10:58 
We have found the issue with #1, and it will be fixed in the next release.
#2, as you say, is nothing to do with ColourSpace.

Steve
Steve Shaw
Mob Boss at Light Illusion

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